Their View: Swindon Town 1-0 City

The usual, you know, ‘Bradford were decent but can’t score for toffee’ lines from opposition fans from Saturday’s second straight away defeat at the County Ground.

Attendance: 6,344

“Decent game, Bradford have missed a couple that they should have scored.”

“Lost our way last 10 a bit but Bradford didn’t really do much. they have missed a couple but so have we.”

“Unexpected, but sweet, victory. Just about deserved.”

“This was no smash and grab, had we taken our chances, we’d have been clear. Had Bradford taken their chances we’d have lost. Anyone’s game.”

“I thought today was a good battle between two decent sides. Bradford’s number 4 ran the midfield and their number 3 was ripping us to bits down the left second half.”

“A good honest performance from us, thought Bradford were one of the better teams to visit SN1, they moved us about and ripped us a new one down the left, looked more threatening than us but couldn’t get much on target.”

“Bradford were a decent side and I’d have their no 4 in our midfield. They should have had 3 in the first half. I couldn’t believe the miss before we scored when they ripped us one down our right and their guy only had Vigs to beat and shanked it yards wide.”

“The most pleasing aspect for me was the number of Bradford players biting the dirt. We were quite aggressive in a very controlled way with only Doughty getting booked.”

“Bradford were neat and today and I was impressed with your number 4 and 3. For once we defended like lions and were able to repel all of your launches into the box.”

“Should’ve been 3-4 nil up at HT. Then a poor 2nd half killed us!”

Player’s View – Goalscorer Anton Rodgers

“The difference today was that they weren’t as direct as what they normally are. I know they were direct and did use James Hanson but they had good footballers in there as well and did play football so it left me in two minds whether to help the centre backs by screening by getting in front of the front man or to press in midfield.”

Manager’s View

“If anyone feels like they can play against this team and not come under pressure, they are wrong because they are an excellent side and are at the top of the division for a reason.

The manager has got them organised and they play to their strengths, so you know you are going to come under pressure.”

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Their View: City 1-0 Northampton Town

Not much to go on from last night, but meltdowns to more pragmatic views, Northampton Town fans’ glum views from Tuesday night’s emotional game.

Attendance: 15,935 (243)


“Shit selection. No tactics. Run off the park. Lucky to get away with a 1-0. Seriously Mr Page take a long hard look at yourself”

“This is ten times worse than the radio can possibly convey.”

“we are playing a very good side.”

“Bloody Bradford …what a bogey side for us”

“Fuck me. That was shit.”

“1-0 flattered us. It could have been a whole lot worse.”

“That was a complete and utter abject shambles. I cannot remember us having so little possession for a very long time.”

“Bradford were always going to win the game after they scored, we really offered nothing going forward to threaten them.”

“Page is chatting so much shit atm”

“I really miss Chris Wilder!”

Manager’s View

“I’ve looked at the goal again and if John-Joe O’Toole’s header at the end was off-side then I felt Marshall was offside for their goal”

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Their View: Southend United 3-0 City

Opposition fans’ reaction/glee/triumph from City’s 3-0 defeat to ‘Roots Hall Massive Club Cup’ winners, Southend United.

Attendance: 7,005 (573)
Photo: Simon Banks

“EASY EASY EASY EASY EASY. Loving a fully fit Southend United”

“Bradford will feel frustrated and could have pegged one back on another day, but we didn’t let them in and fully deserved the three points.”

“Bradford were a good side and played well, not at their best but we really took advantage of every opportunity they gave us.”

“Bradford just didn’t turn up today. We completely bossed the entire game.”

“Lets just say I expected a tougher game against 2nd in the league. An example would be their No7, pacey but no end product.”

“Their no 9 Hanson is a real handful and to keep a clean sheet is a terrific achievement.”

“Bradford look a decent team and their number 4 Law was excellent for them. Hanson was a handful and they tried to win rather than sitting back and closing up shop.”

“Marshall is a very good player, the fools in the West were slating him for that shot, he hit it with his left, he is a right footed player…Ben C tricked him once, but there was a lot more times that Ben switched off and stopped marking him, he was getting the crosses in…”

“Make no mistake Bradford are a very good side and yes we rode our luck at times, but we deserved that luck”

“Their shirts look even worse on TV”

“If you had said at the start of the season, after our first five games, that we would take four points from Bradford… then you’d be mad. What a turn around.”

“Thought Law for Bradford was different class today didn’t deserve to be on losing side”

Manager’s View

“It wasn’t one way traffic but it was a great clean sheet!”

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Their View: City 4-0 Rochdale

​Compliments, thinly veiled criticism and some sour grapes, the view from Rochdale.

“Currently getting an absolute spanking at Bradford …Please please blow the bloody whistle”

“We simply don’t deserve to be going in 2 down, not by any stretch of the imagination. The first goal shellshocked us though and we looked like we’d concede every time they attacked after that. We needed half time to come about 5 minutes earlier.”

“I know we were weakened but I’d be very surprised if Bradford don’t end up in an automatic spot”

“full team out and we’d of beaten them today. Even with that team today we score one of them chances early doors we get a result”

“Well beaten against a good team. Sobering experience… We move on”

“Highly frustrating as we were the better side for the first 40 minutes. We fell to pieces after that though and our back 4 in all its various forms was terrible. Well done to Bradford for dismissing us with ruthless efficiency.”

“Bradford are a good team, and thoroughly deserved it.”

“The firefly impersonation the crowd did in the second half was bizarre but quite nice.”

“Well done Bradford, owed us one and more than delivered.”

“Good looking team that plays football finally, it’s only taken them a decade or so to get there.”

“Meridith and Marshall for me stood out today.”

“For me the disparity in the talent the two teams had available today was summed up by the two wingers – they had Mark Marshall who gave Joe Bunney a torrid time”

“…you won’t get many better strikers at this level than Hanson”

“I don’t like the sleazy flesh pots of Manningham.”

Manager’s View

“It’s mini-mistakes that have cost us. The first goal is disappointing but I think if we continued to perform the way that we started the game then I’m reasonably happy going into half-time at 1-0, but then the second goal is a corner that’s cleared and comes back into the box, which is disappointing.

The second half looks a bit chaotic but when you’re playing a team like Bradford who retain the ball then it’s very difficult when you’re down to ten men.”

And finally, this week’s absolute weapon comes from a Dale fan on Twitter…

“What a fucking joke of a club Bradford are. I’d be ashamed to support the wankers.”

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Preview: Bradford City v Accrington Stanley

So, onto Accrington, in the cup, again.


The last game between these two saw City playing well without any cutting edge. We looked comfortable at the back and didn’t have too many scares. Ultimately, it was our lack of goals at the time which came to bite us on the arse, City getting dumped out of the League Cup after a thrilling penalty shoot-out.

Head to Head

City don’t have the most convincing of records against Accrington in recent history. In the last 14 games, City have won only 3 times, losing 6 times including THAT infamous 3-0 defeat in 2007. Long gone are those days of Barry Conlon and Guylain Ndumbu-Nsungu.

Accrington have been on a reasonable run of late. Including the 4-1 FL Trophy win v Chesterfield, they’ve only lost once in the last 5 games. Since losing Josh Windass, though, they haven’t exactly found goals easy to come by, scoring 1.27 goals per game, under the league average.

All in all, they look a middle of the road League 2 team currently, not quite hitting the heights of last season where they were formidable opponents, especially at home.

Top Scorer: Billy Kee (5) & Romuald Boco (5)

Team news

City will most likely make a few changes. James Hanson is likely to start the game after a light start to the campaign and completing 90 minutes against Wimbledon. Who joins him up there is anyone’s guess. With Hiwula scoring in his last two games, one could argue momentum but he is likely to be given a rest. One player who could be unlikely to replace him is Marc McNulty, with Sheffield United likely to refuse permission for him to play. Josh Cullen will be away on international duty so a chance could fall to Danny Devine to add to his impressive start to the season. McCall might also opt to play Sattelmaier in goal, who has been an able replacement for Colin Doyle.

Stanley’s team could possibly be ‘all change’ for the tie, with Assistant Manager Jimmy Bell warning that no Stanley player is guaranteed a starting spot after their dismal loss to Newport County on Saturday. One of the players who could make a rare appearance is former City Player and carpet fitter, Paddy Lacey. He’s only made 3 appearances for Accrington so far but with Coleman expected to make a few changes, he could get his chance after an injury ravaged career.

One to watch

Billy Kee – I liked him in League 2 when he played for Torquay and he’s matured into a decent forward for Accrington. He was raw then, but what I liked about him was he isn’t afraid to shoot from anywhere. He likes to get into pockets behind the main forward and, if not picked up, he can get into decent scoring positions. He showed this in a decent spell at Burton. He, along with goal-scoring midfield, Romuald Boco, is certain to cause City a few problems if we let him in-between the lines.

The Referee

Graham Salisbury (Lancashire) – 13 Games, 40 Yellows, 1 red

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Their View: AFC Wimbledon 2-3 Bradford City

From abusing the referee to some kinder words (just some) for Big Jim. This weeks look at what the opposition fans and manager thought of us.

Their View

“don’t think a draw would have been unfair but no shame in losing to a good Bradford side”

“That was fucking harsh. Draw would’ve been a fair result”

“Bradford moved us around the pitch brilliantly, never gave us a rest.”

“I think Bradford will turn out to be one of the automatic promotion teams, and the players will be gutted to have missed out on at least a point.”

“Bradford only came back into the game because they made a triple substitution that put things more in their favour. So credit to McCall. Ref is a total cunt though, as that wasn’t a pen”

“No time for the Bradford fans at all. Couldn’t stand them. Sweeping generalisation, but I’ll stick with it.”

“They passed quickly and (mostly) accurately, better than almost anyone else we’ve faced so far this season.”

“Unlucky to lose. Bradford are one of our bogie teams. One of the strongest teams in the division.”

“Their pen looked very soft and, as others have pointed out, Law was a class act.”

“Bradford just finished the game really strong. Physically too much for our back line with McNulty a real handful.”

On James Hanson (as he seems a topic of debate for other fans too!)

“he’s a workhorse and he delivers goals too. Deserves plenty of praise for his time and success at Bradford.”

“he won the ball in the air as well as Elliott in the first half and moved as well as Cork used to then in those final minutes he used his strength and experience and won the game”

“I am amazed that Hanson has ended up with two goals as he was average until we dropped deep and allowed to put better quality balls in.”

“The cross for their winner was lovely, and Hanson is always such a threat – maybe we shouldn’t have allowed the cross to come in, but marking Hanson from it must be almost impossible.”

Manager’s view

“Before they scored I thought it was a hard-earned point. Both teams were gung-ho and had a right good go at it. I thought there were two target men out there who were exceptional with Hanson for them and Tom for us. They played like two good old-fashioned target men. They both had a big bearing on the match, but unfortunately Hanson has popped up and had a bigger bearing on it at the end.”

…and finally, this gem…

“The ref won that game for Bradford. The most obviously bent cunt I have seen reffing a game since our Ryman days. He spent 95 minutes ignoring their barging, climbing, pulling and shirt tugging and penalised us for every single similar offence. Faced with having to return his bribe to whichever corrupt property developer owns Bradford these days he gave them a bogus penalty to get them back in the game. Hope he crashes his car on the way home this evening.”

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Match Report: AFC Wimbledon 2-3 Bradford City

​We didn’t deserve to lose that game but we certainly didn’t deserve to win. I’ll take an undeserved win over a heroic draw any day of the week.

City came into this game ‘buzzing’  from a 3-3 draw against Sheffield United. For all the back slapping from the managers, any reasonably sane City fan would know that we can’t go on with a defence that leaky, even if we were playing the form side of the division.

Would McCall stick with McArdle at right back or would he bring back the more conventional Darby? 

The team sheets were announced and a back four of Darby, Vincelot, NKP and Kilgallon would start. What worried me a bit was that Wimbledon’s direct approach might target Vincelot’s height disadvantage against Dons striker, Tom Elliott.

The Dons didn’t start with the direct approach that I thought they would. They tried to play along the floor, which came as a surprise. Having 5 in midfield, they maybe thought they could make the extra body count, rather than missing them out completely and fighting for second balls. This approach came to be their undoing for the first goal. A misplaced pass from top striker, Lyle Taylor, ended up with City counter-attacking from midfield, with Law setting up Hiwula to put City 1-0 up within 5 minutes. 

It looked like City would kick on, we played some neat stuff, as always, in the middle but rarely threatened the Dons goal, attacks fizzling out around the 18 yard box as has been the case a lot this season. Wimbledon changed it up and started to go more direct, Elliott winning all his duels against Vincelot. Their goal came from a free kick, pumped into the box. Hanson, doing his defensive duties, went up with Elliott and just got his head to the ball. Unfortunately, the ball wasn’t cleared and Elliott reacted quickest for a fine strike into the roof of the net.

The rest of the half, City huffed and puffed but Billy Clarke in particular, was wasteful on the ball and attacks kept breaking down.

The second half seemed much of the same, City came out the quicker and had some decent forays into the Wimbledon half, again, without any clear cut chances. McCall had to change it up and did with McNulty and Marshall coming on for Hiwula and Clarke. Then, a contentious penalty. I was in the home end for this game as I didn’t manage to secure an away ticket. From where we were, Wimbledon attacked from a City corner through Barcham on the wing. He was up against 2 City defenders, including a scrambling Josh Cullen. He played a reverse into Jake Reeves who got into the penalty area and Cullen slid in. Realising he wouldn’t get to the ball, Cullen ended up sliding on his knees. Barely any contact, if at all and Reeves went flying. The referee had no hesitation to point to the spot but there were embarrassed laughs around me as the Dons fans didn’t think it was either. Lyle Taylor stepped up and City were now 2-1 down.

Cullen was withdrawn immediately and replaced with Morais. City now had two wingers on and started to peg back a worried looking Wimbledon side, with 25 minutes still to go.

After a few dangerous looking attacks, City got a penalty of their own, 10 minutes after Wimbledon’s. Kilgallon went up for a header and was taken out by the Dons keeper. Another contentious decision. It looked soft, maybe the ref was evening it up. Hanson stepped up and got a vital equaliser. 2-2.

The game appeared to be fizzling out, a draw probably a fair result on the balance of play. City then got a fantastic winner with the ball being clipped in from Darby on the right and Hanson’s accurate glancing header creeping into the far post, almost like slow motion. City fans went mental, including a couple in front of me in the home end. Oops. 3-2 and the Dons almost equalised with the last kick of the game when Tyrone Barnett missed by inches. 

There was a deflated feeling around the home end, understandably. City probably didn’t deserve to win but we played the better football. 6 goals in the last two games suggests that we’re probably better going forward than we think. I feel we need to sort the CB problem. Vincelot is starting to get found out by anyone taller than 6ft. Cullen had an off game by his standards but Law and Dieng were outstanding, pretty much carrying our midfield.

Questions remain about the recent leakage of goals but it is good to see us scoring more frequently. It’s also good to Hanson playing so well yesterday. It’s funny how everytime you speak to opposition fans, they always fear Hanson, yet some of our own fans give him such a hard time. Hiwula and Hanson now have 2 goals in the last 2 games. That’s something to build on.

Player ratings

Doyle – 6 – Not called upon much but was steady.

Darby – 7 – Quelled a lot of their attacks on the left. Kept Taylor quiet on the whole.

Vincelot – 5 – Struggled to control Elliott. I like his general play and distribution but it’s time we had a proper CB there. 

NKP – 6 – Steady, cut out some dangerous attacks and mopped up Elliott’s flick ons.

Kilgallon – 7 – Played very well and involved for the penalty. Doing well standing in.

Dieng – 8 – If teams are going to try play along the floor, they won’t get through him

Law – 8 – My MOTM.  Everything went through him and he set up so many attacks. 

Cullen – 6 – The game seemed to pass him by, perhaps in need of a rest.

Clarke – 5 – Very poor today. One marauding run into their half in the second half but other than that, he isn’t what we need against physical teams.

Hiwula – 7 – Starting to really like him, he’s not going to to run for 90 minutes but you can see what the confidence of scoring does for him.

Hanson – 8 – Winning free kicks? Really? Not something that happens often with big Jim but he got his goals, held up the ball well and caused their defence issues. The haters can be quiet, for a week anyway.

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Preview: AFC Wimbledon v Bradford City

On Saturday, we play a resurgent AFC Wimbledon. Their win against Oxford 4 games ago catapulted them above bitter rivals, MK Dons (Looks around for anyone who gives a shit about MK Dons). Their form of late has been fantastic; after losing their first 3 games of the season, they’ve started to settle into League 1 life. They’ve slowly climbed the league and sit in the play-off positions, in 6th.

What system do they play?

The Dons tend to switch between a 4-4-2 and a 4-5-1 system, depending on the opposition. They played a 4-5-1 system against Peterborough which worked wonders for them, stifling Peterborough’s midfield and getting a goal through Tom Elliott. Like City (and a lot of other League 1 clubs), they’ve struggled for a prolific scorer, with top scorer, Lyle Taylor on 5 league goals.

What to watch out for

The obvious bits we gleaned from the televised game v Oxford, was that AFC Wimbledon are a physical force, much like a lot of clubs in this division. With City not being as physical as previous seasons, we will need to be careful not to get bullied off the ball, as we were against an aggressive Shrewsbury side. Patience and guile is what will be needed if we are to get the best out of a performance at Kingsmeadow.

Key Players

With cult hero, Akinfenwa (thankfully) gone, the mantle has been passed onto Lyle Taylor. Their top scorer will cause our defence considerable problems if not dealt with correctly. The 6ft 2in striker is well traveled and has found a good home at Wimbledon, scoring 24 goals in 56 appearances. Keeping him quiet will be one of many tasks that the City defensive unit will have to face. From what I’ve seen, our midfield will need to win the battle, particularly with Bulman in front of their back 4. We’ll need to get between the lines to threaten a team who will, most probably, defend as a unit.

Ref Watch

Graham Horwood (Luton) – In 11 games this season he has given 52 Yellow & 4 Red, over twice the average.


3 Consecutive away wins
8 Matches undefeated
Last 6 games for Wimbledon have resulted in 4 wins, 2 draws, 0 defeats
Since AFC were formed, we have played each other 5 times in league and cup. The two sides have never drawn, Bradford winning 2 and AFC Wimbledon winning 3.
Both teams have scored in every meeting between the two sides and there has been over 2.5 goals in every game
Record scoring game, 25/08/2012 – Bradford City 5-1 AFC Wimbledon

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Match Report: City 3-3 Sheffield United

The feeling I got leaving Valley Parade on Saturday (without repeating the colourful language) was ‘What a match!’

Between getting up that morning and full time was a bit more nervy. As the game went on, the thought of going down to Sheffield United’s rampant front line was growing. For the neutral, it must have been a magnificent game to watch, end to end for the most part and a lively Yorkshire Derby atmosphere.

When the lineups were announced before the game, I thought it was a strange choice swapping Darby out for McArdle at right back. I actually had no idea of what formation we would play, such is the fluidity of our set up this season. It could be a decent enough decision as what we lacked on the right hand side, we made up for with a more solid looking back line with more height…right?

The opening goal was one I could see happening. The view from up in the Upper Main Stand is akin to playing Football Manager and you can see the shape of the teams and where we were looking a bit ‘soft’. The right of our defence is where United aimed for early on. Billy Clarke tried breaking away from a United attack and lost the ball easily on the right. Fleck jinked inside Josh Cullen and played a floating ball, inch perfect, onto the head of Billy Sharp who had peeled off NKP. 1-0 to the Blades. They nearly went 2-0 up a few minutes later when United counter-attacked and fed the ball to Matt Done; He wasn’t really prepared for McArdle’s air shot and the ball hit him and fell into the grateful arms of Doyle.

City responded well, we looked determined, not panicked. Nicky Law started a move from the middle, out to the left where Kilgallon got a cross into a dangerous area. Hiwula looked like he was going to score but the ball was deflected on the way through 2 more Sheffield United attempted blocks and ended up at the back post, where Billy Clarke couldn’t really miss. 1-1 and the game was looking like living up to its billing as a mouthwatering top of the table clash.

City grew with the first half and although we started to threaten a lot more, we seemed to switch off at set pieces, nearly getting caught out by short corners and quick freekicks. The second half started and City switching off again got United their second goal. They got a freekick on the left hand side after a dubious looking dive from Sharp. Doyle was still setting up that pointless two-man wall keepers tend to set up for crosses when Fleck played a quick cross into the box, which only Billy Sharp was alive to and he slotted it home from 6 yards out. Queue wild celebrations in the United ends. That lead only lasted a few minutes as City weren’t done. Cullen played the ball to the back post to Hanson who fed the ball back across goal to Hiwula to get City level again. 2-2. City were enjoying their best spell and James Hanson was enjoying perhaps his best game for City this season. We were closing them down in midfield, forcing errors and forcing them backwards.

We needed to make it count while we were on top and we did. The goal, again, came from the left, Dieing picked up the ball, passed it out wide and made a run into the box which none of the United players picked up. Kilgallon then dinked the ball over their right back and there was Dieing to send VP into raptures with a finely placed volley. Could we hang on? Doubt anyone around me thought we could, such was the openness of the game. We were proved right just a couple of minutes later when United got a freekick. Might be sounding a bit harsh here but the freekick could’ve been caught by Doyle. He just palmed it away for a corner. The resulting corner was poor but Hanson at the near post failed to connect when swinging his left foot at it and it got bundled in at the back post by Basham. We could’ve got all 3 points by the end with Hiwula hitting the bar and so could’ve United with Billy Sharp missing from 6 yards out when there was a mix up between NKP and Vincelot.

I think, though a draw was a fair result. It’s great to see 2 teams that were proper going for it as opposed to not wanting to lose. It was a credit to League One and although it didn’t feel like it during the game, it was a great match.

Onto AFC Wimbledon who will be a little more physical than Sheffield United and are starting to go on a decent run themselves. A big team will be required again and I would like to see Hanson starting again as I thought he was impressive in his hold-up play on Saturday.

Doyle – 6 – Did well enough when called upon. Just think he could’ve done better with the freekick that lead to the corner which United scored from
McArdle 6 – He’s not a right back. I’d much prefer to see Darby there but I understand that McCall felt the need for a taller back line.
Vincelot – 6 – Solid enough. Didn’t do much wrong but his partnership with NKP didn’t fill me with confidence whether the ball was played through or in the air.
Knight-Percival 6 – See Vincelot
Kilgallon – 7 – Steady at left back and got two assists. He didn’t really have much to do as most of their attacks came down our right.
Dieing – 8 – Was out on his feet the last 10 minutes. He ran and ran and deservedly got his goal. Between him and Law for MOTM.
Cullen – 7 – The model of consistency for me, played well throughout the game and did best when setting up our attacks
Law – 8 – My man of the match. Ball winner, tenacious and ran at the United midfield. His partnership with Cullen was fantastic to watch
Clarke – 7 – Got his goal which gives him a higher rating, faded in and out of the game. Some incredibly poor touches and lost the ball in key areas.
Hanson – 7 – His hold up play was fantastic and his headers back to our midfielders were key in relieving pressure. Still needs to do more for me as a striker, though.
Hiwula – 7 – Gave a good account of himself, got in really good areas and made some great runs. Unlucky to be called offside at one point when he was through. I was looking down the line and he wasn’t.

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Their View: City 3-3 Sheffield United

I got this idea from a Roys View From, a Sheffield United fan. He takes a look at blogs/twitter/forums to give their own fans an idea of what the opposition thought of us. So it’s apt that the first post is dedicated to them. Rather than trawling through various posts, I thought I’d give it a go and post here regularly as to what people think.

“It’s a good sign that we can go away to a rival for promotion, not play great and come away with a point Bradford had to be at the top of their game to get that point and I think we can do better”

“All credit to Bradford for staying with us, I thought they were excellent too.”

“Still feel like we should’ve won today, but it’s early days, and the signs look very good. We’ll take some stopping.”

“What was the goal music that Bradford kept playing today?”

“It was like ‘next goal wins’ today.”

“Cracking match. Both teams will feel they could/should have won. 4 points from 2 away games happy wi that”

“United & Bradford will finish top two for me..”

“Good away point against 2nd in league, keeps the run going”

“What. A. Game. That second half was incredible unbeaten in 10 now (I think, lost count) and a great point against a good side”

“3-3 credit to both sides Struggle to find a better game in England today & based on that utd & Bradford will be rivals come may”

“nerves are shot. happy with a point”

“No more games like that please Blades. My arse can’t handle it”

“Would have taken a point before the game but disappointing to score 3 away and not win the game.”

“Rivalry between the fans but then completely sound outside of the ground, no silly folk. Many of their fans seemed like top blokes. Keep it like that and there’d be no need for a police presence, early kick offs in derby matches.”

“Never sat in the ‘non-blades’ end of a match before. It’s awful, don’t want to do it again! What I will say is, they appear to generate a much better home atmosphere than we do generally. They didn’t stop singing for 90 minutes so do deserve real credit there.”

“Thought you mixed up play well and disrupted our normal style until you tired later in game”

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